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mikkel · Mar 31, 2007, 06:12 AM // 06:12

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Originally Posted by VGJustice

No, sorry, PvP sells this game. That's why they have PvP Only editions for sale.

If PvP sold this game, why on Earth would ANet and NCSoft lower their profit margin by letting people skip half of the content? Surely if PvP had enough mass appeal to be the deciding factor in a purchase, it'd be completely illogical to lower the cost.

If anything, PvE sells this game.

The problem is that after any new chapter is out, PvE seems to be dropped on the floor and mutilated to appease the PvP community and to keep HA from overflowing with tears and killing off their delicate and vulnerable PvP player base of crybabies.

ANet handles balance in a very strange way.

Rakeman · Mar 31, 2007, 06:56 AM // 06:56

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Originally Posted by Curse You

They have announced that they will not be doing anymore chapters for GW1, but instead be working on GW2. It's in the interviews or the article, or both. From my experience, I've seen that game companies don't make new stuff for old games.

Wrong. Recently they stated that they were "unsure" and may "consider it".

MirageMaster · Mar 31, 2007, 07:09 AM // 07:09

In any case i like that pvpers wont get much stuff in GWEN,maybe they will leave.

Yichi · Mar 31, 2007, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by mikkel

The problem is that after any new chapter is out, PvE seems to be dropped on the floor and mutilated to appease the PvP community and to keep HA from overflowing with tears and killing off their delicate and vulnerable PvP player base of crybabies.

ANet handles balance in a very strange way.

Because balance in a player vs player tournament is more important when 100k is on the line, than your precious farming build to kill 983467605987630485608560823756 trolls.

face it. PVP balance affects the game way more than any pve balance does.

mikkel · Mar 31, 2007, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

Because balance in a player vs player tournament is more important when 100k is on the line, than your precious farming build to kill 983467605987630485608560823756 trolls.

face it. PVP balance affects the game way more than any pve balance does.

There's no need to get defensive, little friend.

Of course PvP balance is more critical than PvE balance. Everyone knows that. However, everyone also knows that the PvP crowd are generally never happy, and there's always someone crying loudly about something somewhere. Mutilating the PvE potential of classes certainly isn't a good way to address the tears of someone who can't get past the first map at HA.

Look at the paragon. PvP players are still crying, and most PvE players I know have stopped playing theirs.

Again, ANet deals with balance in strange ways.

The Ernada · Mar 31, 2007, 07:37 AM // 07:37

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Originally Posted by MirageMaster

In any case i like that pvpers wont get much stuff in GWEN,maybe they will leave.

What's the matter? Lost in PVP once and got bitter about PVP'ers?

Yichi · Mar 31, 2007, 07:39 AM // 07:39

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Originally Posted by mikkel

There's no need to get defensive, little friend.

Of course PvP balance is more critical than PvE balance. Everyone knows that. However, everyone also knows that the PvP crowd are generally never happy, and there's always someone crying loudly about something somewhere. Mutilating the PvE potential of classes certainly isn't a good way to address the tears of someone who can't get past the first map at HA.

Look at the paragon. PvP players are still crying, and most PvE players I know have stopped playing theirs.

Again, ANet deals with balance in strange ways.

the PVP community isnt happy because there are still too many outstanding balance issues that havent been addressed, or were addressed incorrectly which in turn led to other skills being imbalanced to them being buffed/nerfed in a less than constructive manner.

The skill balancers do try their hardest and i applaud them for wanting to have a balanced game with balanced skills. the problem lies within the actual design and concept of the new classes themselves. some were not properly given their place, take the ritualist for example. until recently with weapon spells working so flawlessly, the rit never had a real purpose for the game since the rit lord nerf. Then you have others such as the assassin which have but one purpose. and thats a linear skillbar with a teleport ability which is rediculously broke atm.

The PVP community wants a general balance to competitive PVP. Wether it be map selection (which i wont get into), skill selection, etc. the PVP community does not wish for the game to become buildwars which for the last couple months, is what competitive PVP has become.

The Ernada · Mar 31, 2007, 07:46 AM // 07:46

That's weird. I could have sworn the PVE community complains just as much if not more than the PVP community. But I guess Im the only one who thinks it looks stupid to complain about PVP complainerss yet I see PVE complaints about not being able to max a certain title....

arcanemacabre · Mar 31, 2007, 08:02 AM // 08:02

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

That's weird. I could have sworn the PVE community complains just as much if not more than the PVP community. But I guess Im the only one who thinks it looks stupid to complain about PVP complainerss yet I see PVE complaints about not being able to max a certain title....

I think the lesson here is, as I put it:

Motto for the Internetz - People Bitch.

There will always be whiners, as well as legitimate complaints of all types, especially on an internet forum, and especially for a game where the Devs actively listen to their community. It's actually a good thing, as it shows the game is hopping and lots of people are playing, or at the very least, they're interested.

Does-it-Matter · Mar 31, 2007, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

What's the matter? Lost in PVP once and got bitter about PVP'ers?

Classic, Mature and Concise. And a basis for a quick game, guess which of the three non-italicized words in the first sentence was sarcasm.

Back to the topic...

Regardless of whatever rumors we can spread, or anecdotal evidence we can offer, there are only two things that can prove "who is bigger than who" in terms of community. Demographics and whatever ANet says. The later was already done.

Let's face the paradox, the majority of the content is geared towards PvE, yet the majority of the game tweaks are towards PvP. We could say that's because PvE is a bigger community, or it could be that PvPers don't need large areas to explore and a variety of NPCs to kill (and the only thing that needs to be fixed are the skills and the occasional bad guild hall map.)

The rest is speculation.

BlackSephir · Mar 31, 2007, 08:15 AM // 08:15

Okay, here I gose!!11

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actually, i'm quite sure most pvpers want LESS skills

Well, the best thing would be lots of BALANCED skills but thats not going to happen... Okay, I agree, less balanced skills is ok, but not to this degree! 150 new skills, 50 pve only, that leaves 100 for 10 classes- 10 for each class- riiiight...

That's not what I'd expect
Sure, I'd let it go if AN would add some skills to GW without any expansion/chapter but that isnt going to happen... Besides, GWEN is probably (probably, not for sure) last expansion, skill-adder to GW... Though I hope someday we will see GW: Utopia

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My guess is that they've realized that PvP and PvPers don't sell games.

Rofl? I thought GW being great pvp game is what convinced me to buy it, but I guess I just wanted to farm trolls :x Thank you for showing me the light!

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Face it MMO PvP is extremely niche, and it doesn't sell games.

Funny, because I wouldn't buy GW if not for pvp

Just because you think so, it doesn't mean it is that way -,-

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In any case i like that pvpers wont get much stuff in GWEN,maybe they will leave.

Wow, and I was against removing pve from GW... now I see that might've been cool...

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However, everyone also knows that the PvP crowd are generally never happy, and there's always someone crying loudly about something somewhere.

For Balthazar's Beard...
Like pve players dont cry and whine... "I can't farm trolls anymore" "Why can't we achieve Defender of Ascalon and survivor titles, its not fair", "oh noez I can't solo tombs with my assa anymore" "why the hell are mobs running away from aoe" etc etc
Jeez O_o

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That's weird. I could have sworn the PVE community complains just as much if not more than the PVP community. But I guess Im the only one who thinks it looks stupid to complain about PVP complainerss yet I see PVE complaints about not being able to max a certain title....

Funny world we're living in, eh? :D

arcanemacabre · Mar 31, 2007, 08:21 AM // 08:21

Please, please, please not another PvP vs. PvE derailment.... Please! No one ever wins that worn-out argument.

BlackSephir · Mar 31, 2007, 08:40 AM // 08:40

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Please, please, please not another PvP vs. PvE derailment.... Please! No one ever wins that worn-out argument.

Yep, everyone already knows if he wants to play mainly pve or pvp, but notice that Jaziel was the first here who started pvp vs pve with his "pvp doesn't sell"

The Ernada · Mar 31, 2007, 08:57 AM // 08:57

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Originally Posted by Does-it-Matter

Classic, Mature and Concise. And a basis for a quick game, guess which of the three non-italicized words in the first sentence was sarcasm..

And yet you think that saying that saying, "In any case i like that pvpers wont get much stuff in GWEN,maybe they will leave" is a mature thing to say?

Or are you another one of those who likes using PVP as a scapegoat? Judging by the rest of your post you are.

Jaziel · Mar 31, 2007, 09:38 AM // 09:38

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Just because you think so, it doesn't mean it is that way -,-

The thing is it's YOU who's saying that YOU bought GW for the PvP...I was generalizing about what other people do. (I didn't even say what I bought it for)

So...just because YOU think so doesn't mean other people bought GW for PvP.

All you have to do is look at the numbers in the PvP districts versus the numbers in PvE districts...it's easy to see where most of the players are.

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Yep, everyone already knows if he wants to play mainly pve or pvp, but notice that Jaziel was the first here who started pvp vs pve with his "pvp doesn't sell"

I didn't mean to start a "debate" as such, I was just commenting on what I thought an "answer" was to the OPs question. Based on what Anet have said in interviews, and also how GW2 is looking at this VERY early stage. Anyway, in the interests of not having this thread degenerate, I'll bow out now.

BlackSephir · Mar 31, 2007, 09:45 AM // 09:45

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Originally Posted by Jaziel

The thing is it's YOU who's saying that YOU bought GW for the PvP...I was generalizing about what other people do. (I didn't even say what I bought it for)

So...just because YOU think so doesn't mean other people bought GW for PvP.

All you have to do is look at the numbers in the PvP districts versus the numbers in PvE districts...it's easy to see where most of the players are.

So? You're telling me pvp in GW doesn't sell- I bought GW because of pvp and I don't care what for you, Tom, Dick or Harry bought it- got it? I'm just showing you that pvp sells- whether you want it or not

Numbers- what about them? I don't see your point- just because pve has more players it means that pvp doesnt sell or what?
If you haven't noticed, you started this 'pvp vs pve' here, nobody wants that and in conlusion- keep things like 'pvp doesnt sell' to yourself, thats not even about it- it's 'Eye of the North seems to hint nothing new in pvp Reply to Thread'

Knightsaber Sith · Mar 31, 2007, 10:00 AM // 10:00

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Originally Posted by Curse You

They have announced that they will not be doing anymore chapters for GW1, but instead be working on GW2. It's in the interviews or the article, or both. From my experience, I've seen that game companies don't make new stuff for old games.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Strain

We haven't actually announced what the follow-up plan is for Guild Wars. This is the first Guild Wars expansion but we certainly haven't said that this is the end of Guild Wars 1.

http://internetgames.about.com/od/ro...uildwarsqa.htm
Guess again bucko.

Bankai · Mar 31, 2007, 10:32 AM // 10:32

Fact 1: PvE cannot be balanced and does not need to be balanced.
Fact 2. PvP has to be balanced, otherwise it's crap.

Face 1+Fact 2=Skills are changes for pvp.

flamegrilled cheese · Mar 31, 2007, 10:58 AM // 10:58

Remember there is going to be a lot of free updates to GW1 while they're working on GW2 so the team working on maintaining the current game might add more pvp features.

Bankai · Mar 31, 2007, 11:32 AM // 11:32

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Originally Posted by flamegrilled cheese

Remember there is going to be a lot of free updates to GW1 while they're working on GW2 so the team working on maintaining the current game might add more pvp features.

Sadly, everybody seems to be forgetting this.